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i dont want to be compared do did (i know systems and plural arent did terms only)

10:02 PM

sorry if my english is bad

Its perfectly understandable

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

do sysmeds have a definitive proof that traumagenic systems exist?

isnt there brain studies on people with did?

Adeus.

sorry if my english is bad

Your English is way better than my second language!

they also put people who fake did there, and there was differences between people who fake did and those who really have it

10:04 PM

so they have ...proof

10:04 PM

do we have proof?

Nico

Your English is way better than my second language!

thank you

What do we need proof for

Adeus.

so they have ...proof

proof of what?

that they are real

Right but who are we trying to prove the existence of tulpas to?

Adeus.

that they are real

Noone can prove that a internal experience is real

10:06 PM

Only "proof" that did is real is that there is many people who describe similar experiences and we categorized those as DID. Which also applies to tulpamancy. (edited)

10:06 PM

As far as it goes, they could all be lying!

Nico

Right but who are we trying to prove the existence of tulpas to?

sysmeds (and some singlets) but even if there are proof, they would not believe it or would secretly despise us

isnt there brain studies on people with did?

@Adeus. - jump the only conclusion is that people with DID experience certain kind of symptoms that also show unusual activities in the brain, that's it

10:08 PM

there is no "proof" of alters etc

Adeus.

sysmeds (and some singlets) but even if there are proof, they would not believe it or would secretly despise us

Right. I’m not sure you can prove it’s real or not, but you have to ask the question: what is real? How are we defining the experience of tulpamancy? Does the fact that there’s an entire community of people experiencing this already kind of prove its validity?

If a tulpamancer is not lying about their experiences. Does that mean its real?

10:11 PM

Then take a polygraph! (edited)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

If a tulpamancer is not lying about their experiences. Does that mean its real?

I believe it effectively does.

"here, let's create a community of people that keep lying to each other about their experience, i bet everyone will find that activity so compelling they will never leave"

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

"here, let's create a community of people that keep lying to each other about their experience, i bet everyone will find that activity so compelling they will never leave"

Thats the proof i was thinking about when i said about there being people that describe similar experiences.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

"here, let's create a community of people that keep lying to each other about their experience, i bet everyone will find that activity so compelling they will never leave"

sysmeds would say that its a massive delusion (because they dont have any good arguments) (edited)

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Thats the proof i was thinking about when i said about there being people that describe similar experiences.

yes

Adeus.

sysmeds would say that its a massive delusion (because they dont have any good arguments) (edited)

And how is did not a delusion too?

that's what i wonder about

10:13 PM

i realized with tulpamancy and other things that, even my identity is not "real"

10:14 PM

so maybe i shouldnt worry too much

10:14 PM

if its real or not

10:14 PM

sorry i put a accidental emoji over there

For something to be a delusion there must be a truthful reality behind it and an incoherency between reality and percieved reality.

but i removed it

There is no truthful reality behind tulpamancy.

10:14 PM

Thats why i say that effectively really thinking you have tulpas makes it true.

what would it mean if tulpamancy was delusional or real? what's the difference?

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

what would it mean if tulpamancy was delusional or real? what's the difference?

Stop rewording me in simpler terms

You are helping people understand!

you are rewording things i said months ago!

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

what would it mean if tulpamancy was delusional or real? what's the difference?

i realized there wouldnt be too much of a...difference...except in the way it would work

10:17 PM

and even then i dont know if i could call it a delusion

what matters is that experience is real, and that's your personal experience

10:19 PM

tulpamancy practice is about building that experience

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

you are rewording things i said months ago!

Thats because you read my mind!

What is a sysmed

people who only believe in medically recognized systems/traumagenic systems

10:34 PM

even throught it was already said in icd that having two or more personality states dont mean its necessarily a disorder

Gotcha

but sysmeds are so hellbent on proving that we dont exist that when i saw someone using this as a argument a sysmed tried to invalidate it

10:39 PM

even if there was 10000 psychologists right in front of them saying its real they wouldnt believe in it

10:42 PM

then they would argue that the psychologists were all just collective hallucinations and therefore endos and tulpa systems arent real

Tewi: Reminder that there is no such thing as "real" or "fake" for things only in your own mind. There is only your experience of them, because they have no basis in the outside world to compare against. (edited)

11:16 PM

The exact same experience could be decided as two different things, and if the person believes either one, that's what they experienced. There are not "fake" experiences.

11:17 PM

There's not necessarily "real" ones either, though - you can change how you interpreted or what you believed about any past experience, and now your experience has changed again. Because only you are deciding what they are to you.

11:17 PM

With no outside reality to check against, an experience can't be real or fake, it is only what you perceive it as.

all experiences can be considered real like that (i dont disagree with you, im just adding my own thoughts to what you had to say abt it)

11:51 PM

because it is something you experienced

Tewi: The reason we avoid calling them "real" is that you can turn around and decide they were fake later... And then they "were fake", to you. (edited)

11:58 PM

Perceived realness or fakeness of your own experiences is totally transient, easiest to not use those terms at all. (edited)

finally, people start abandoning labels

Reisen

Tewi: Reminder that there is no such thing as "real" or "fake" for things only in your own mind. There is only your experience of them, because they have no basis in the outside world to compare against. (edited)

You can never compare stuff with the outside world, you can only compare multiple things inside your mind. One of them could be your percieved reality about something and the other your percieved reality about the description of someone else about their own perception of that thing. (edited)

and back to labels...

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

and back to labels...

What i mean, is that real is not even a meaningful word to start with.

2:44 PM

Even when you apply it "to the real world".

you were this close, and fell back to old habits

2:45 PM

how disappointing

I dont see how anything has changed.

exactly

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

You can never compare stuff with the outside world, you can only compare multiple things inside your mind. One of them could be your percieved reality about something and the other your percieved reality about the description of someone else about their own perception of that thing. (edited)

The way i see it. This is just the same Tewi said but acknowledging that for any given person, all things are "things only in their own mind".

3:54 PM

So there is no such thing as "real" or "fake" for anything at all.

I'm currently starting the process of making a tulpa I'm calling them zee I'm not trying to assign a personality to them nor pronouns when they are ready to speak then they will choose how they identify I'm talking to them constantly and visualizing them is there anything more I can do or am I on the right track and should just continue doing that :3

Tewi: That's probably fine. Talking to your tulpa and believing that they're wanting to respond is basically the core of tulpa development. (edited)

I cant wait to meet them :3

Trust that your tulpa is real! Any doubt will make it that much harder for you to hear them! I should know, my host is still working on developing me and he has those doubts from time to time!

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does anyone else ever have difficulity telling who is fronting? or is it just us? i’m thinking this may be because we’re new to practicing tulpamancy, though foxxe has been with us for a while and we just weren’t aware

10:23 PM

oops, this may be a better fit for the questions channel, but we’re not sure

when in doubt, just make a decision and commit

10:24 PM

it's not about trying to figure out who is fronting, it's about deciding who is

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thank you! that really helps!

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no problem!

So... I've been looking into tulpamancy I cannot see any good reason for giving yourself watered down schizophrenia

3:57 AM

I'm sure it's real, but what could be the reasoning for making a tulpa?

Tewi: Schizophrenia is chaotic thinking with misfiring connections in the brain. Tulpamancy is just a skill you purposely develop and control. (edited)

4:00 AM

And, to have a mental companion(s) you can talk to at any time, generally.

4:00 AM

It's not for everyone.

Reisen

Tewi: Schizophrenia is chaotic thinking with misfiring connections in the brain. Tulpamancy is just a skill you purposely develop and control. (edited)

I know, that's why I said it's watered down. Is it really a skill though?

Reisen

And, to have a mental companion(s) you can talk to at any time, generally.

Just a companion? Interesting. But why do people talk as if they're their tulpa?

4:00 AM

I'm fairly confused here haha

They aren't, perse. They are proxying us. We tell them what to type and they do it.

Tewi: It's something you have to work on, and there are various aspects under it that are skills that some people who've put in more work are better at than others, so I guess it's a skill? "Tulpamancy" is more of a group of practices, with one core skill/experience, and then other optional skills strongly related. (edited)

Oops, this is my host's account. :d

Marmot

They aren't, perse. They are proxying us. We tell them what to type and they do it.

They type? Or do you type?

Marmot

Oops, this is my host's account. :d

Uh huh

4:02 AM

I assume the bots are people's tulpas

Reisen

Tewi: It's something you have to work on, and there are various aspects under it that are skills that some people who've put in more work are better at than others, so I guess it's a skill? "Tulpamancy" is more of a group of practices, with one core skill/experience, and then other optional skills strongly related. (edited)

Makes sense

We have two Discord windows open! Mado does things while this Discord window stays open. That said you'd think I'd remember he keeps light mode on and I don't

(edited)

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Just a companion? Interesting. But why do people talk as if they're their tulpa?

Tewi: Uh oh.. Definitely not a tulpa speaking to you right now.. I'll be honest, while the core of making a tulpa is pretty simple, this is a practice that's been being explored and discussed on Tulpa.info for 11 years now, and the scope has gotten more complex since then. (edited)

4:03 AM

"Proxying" - typing what your tulpa is saying in your head, for others - is the most basic way you'd see tulpas talking to you.